Redefining “moderate Islam” is one critical area that needs to be addressed urgently. If MDP alienates the moderate Islamists then there is great danger of the party losing their credibility. Moderate Islam does not mean having the freedom to dress whichever way one wants. We all attacked Gayyoom because he does not make his wife Nasreena to wear the veil. I wonder what many Maldivians would say if MDP chairperson Maria starts to wear the veil. Would that inspire Nasheed’s wife to do the same? I wonder what many Maldivians would say if president-elect Mohamed Nasheed’s wife (Laila) resides at the presidential palace without wearing the veil.
If we turn our backs on Allah, it is easy for Allah to reverse this victory and bring us down and give the leadership to whoever He wishes. This may not be the most popular idea but I call upon president-elect Nasheed and the Vice-President-elect Dr. Waheed and the MDP Chairperson Maria and the leader of the Jumhooree Gulhun Gasim Ibrahim and Adhaalth party leader Sheikh Hussain Rasheed and Sheikh Ilyas to come to some sort of feasible compromise so that the issue of the veil is addressed properly.
does they believ its obligatory in islam?How about anni, wil he say islam dusnt ask women to wear veil.But the difference is we neva labelled him "islamic scholar", so wat he says dusnt carry much weight on this area. So him influencing these areas become less. Which i c as an advantage based on our previous experiences.
ReplyDelete"May allah guide us all to the right path" --Ameen--
Start by including Islamic studies in schooling curriculum. We can start with the nursery and build on knowing the basics of Islam, reciting the Quran, Quranic meaning, praying and other knowledge.
ReplyDeleteYou should know that 2 or 3 generations of Maldivians finished school without knowing how to recite the Quran or praying.
are there modete islamists? Dude better first find the meaning of islamists and how a person becomes an islamist.
ReplyDeletecan't we just separate religion and politics!
ReplyDeletedear Bushry, Wouldn't it be best if we keep religion away from Politics? for some reason I think the idea of 'compulsion' is not compatible with religion.
ReplyDeletemw
First we should make ppl aware of wat 'AURA' or nivakurun is. most grls who wore it after listening to Ali rameez's madhaha did it cos of sudden urge without knowing wats its importance.( n later they regret it n wear it a more stylish way which makes it useless) So first educate ppl on how , when n why to wear it. not just wearing for namesake.
ReplyDeleteAniway is it necessary to wear it??
@17:37...no we cant...politics governance and islam go together...its not seperated in islam...
ReplyDeleteI think it's great that you are starting to talk on issues with MDP as the focus, instead of DRP....
ReplyDeleteRegarding this talk of veil, I just want to say that IMPOSING strict Islamic doctrine is self-defeating. The idea is for people to realize for themselves and act on it without having it being imposed!! So intead of making it mandatory to wear "THE VEIL", i think what is needed is fostering a culture of modesty & chastity for both sexes, through incorporation of such concepts to Islamic studies in schools.
Instead of saying wear the veil, pray five times a day yada yada, make people realise for themselves the values of following such an ethic if they claim to belong to an Islamic faith.....
Bring out the best in people, instead of making them 'wear it', i think should be the motto...
And it not a piece of cloth covering a woman's hair & bosoms that is the idea behind this veil (which is in fact an Arab tradition that has become an Islamic custom that has become God's written law), but the principle and philosophy behind it that is more important.
I have seen women wearing so called veils along with Capri pants!!!
And enacting draconian legislature making it mandatory for women to wear veils amounts to a revolution that could backlash if not done without bringing about a change in peoples perceptual attitudes towards what has essentially come to be the religion of our fathers and forefathers...Those immediate generations which you refer to, who cannot 'recite' the Quran will not look upon this favourably, for exactly this reason.
And just making the next generation fluent in 'recitation' of the Arab text, will not change this either...
Comparative Religion needs to be taught instead of the sanitized spoon-fed version propagated by one single authority. This does not mean we would be colluding the minds of our youth with 'infidel philosophies', quite the contrary.
If and only when we are able to foster a generation in such a culture, will people embrace the underlying philosophy of Quran, instead of submitting to it blindly or involuntarily.
Of course I do not believe, for one second that this Adalat party would follow this MO. For them it is only a matter of going off on those serial visits to distant islands and reciting apocalyptic verses to reinforce the literal interpretations of the theological ones.
'wear the veil in the manner we describe, else you burn in hell'
This methodology is flawed, and would leave many behind...
Even Adalath agrees Hijab is not a must.
ReplyDeleteI guess we cannot separate religion and governance.
But politics and religion can be separated.
muslim Women wear hijab to look beautiful in the eyes of Allah sw.if anni wife or who ever dosent wear hijab does not make you safe. dont think you can be in shadow of Nasreena or Lalila in the day of judgement.
ReplyDeletewe maldivians think we have inherited paradise just because we are born muslims.dont be fooled. wake up.
time is running out.safe yourself from the hell fire.
K
"moderate Islamacists"? LOL
ReplyDeleteDo you even know what you're talking about?
Yes, yes. As soon as it looks like we liberated ourselves from a Quran thumping despot we have Bushry here to fill the shoes.
Bushry, let women talk about their own issues. Why do you bother?
All of you guys who voted for Anni seemed to be in "agreement" over issues.But now it seems you dont have anything to agree upon
ReplyDeleteBushry,
ReplyDeleteThe veil is not the most important issue this country is facing now. There are more presing issues to adress.
I do hope our first ladies see these very personal thoughts... May Allah Give them REAL SUCCESS. Amen!
ReplyDeleteYes! I know that I was created by Allah. I know that the prophet Muhammed was Allah's Messenger sent to humans to teach us His religion – ISLAM. I love my Creator very very much. I pray to Allah 5 times a day as He has Commanded. I thus often pray many times over that He guides me to the path of those He blessed. :-) .
I take great pleasure in obeying Allah's Command. By the Grace of Allah I am filled with love for his last prophet. So, I obey what Allah has commanded. I wear my Hijab, not for any intelectual reasons. Not for any social reasons. Just to Obey Allah - The All Seerer, The all Hearer. The Master of everything in the Heavens, the earth and all thats in between.
Yes! I also fear Allah. Hell I know from the vivid descriptions in the Koran. I also know that Allah is not some very distant philosophical or metaphysical reality. I know Allah is closer to me than my own jugular vein. I am also so filled with hope and happiness when I know that Allah loves me tens and tens of times more than my own beloved mom loves me. :-)
When I am upset, feel the whole world closing on me, I close my eyes and whisper my longing, my despair to Allah. Praise Allah! I'm saved! :-).
I love Allah, I fear Allah, and I know that any time I might be called to meet Allah, so By Allah's Grace I obey Allah. Yes! I wear my hijab. :-). ONLY TO PLEASE ALLAH. And Masha Allah!!!!! Obeying my LORD, I am filled with joy, that I cant explain.
How can I begin to explain all this to you o brother Simon? Or those others who rebel against Allah's Word? Indeed! The prophet was ordered to just deliver the message. He did. And I try to follow in this; exactly his beloved example. I share my thoughts. Take benefit of it if you wish, Consign my words if u so wish to the rubbish bin.
May Allah give us the strength to see when our eyes see, and hear when our ears hear. May He guide you to the truth. Salam!
wearing the Hijab is a personal preference. I think it should be left to leila and Maria to choose of they want to wear the hijab. Just for show or namesake why should anyone be forced to wear it.
ReplyDeleteLets phase out words like moderate islamists out of the society. Anyway no one knows the line of moderate islamist. Instead lets bring about a clearer view of the islamic doctrine.
Simon is dead wrong no one is Quran thumping, it is exactly this dismisive attitude that led us to a government under Gayyoom. let us all discuss the issues and participate.
There are more important issues to address than whether the first lady will wear a veil or not. Anni had never denied ' the verse' in quran which says women must wear veils. So it is mostly up to every women whether they want burn in hell fire or not. On the other had maumoon clearly denied and misled his people and made those women who were covering themselves criminals by his law
ReplyDeleteAssalam Alaikum brother Bushree. May Allah (SW) reward you Sawaab for writing in this manner. We need people like you in our religion. As Mohamed (S.A.W) says you are a sign of Qiyaamath. Maasha Allah. And may Allah gives you the reward of Paradise (with 72 Huraleens) and four wives and forgive all the sins you have committed while you were working in Monday Times and before you embraced our beloved religion as you do now. May Allah reward paradise to Gasim Ibrahim, Adhaalath Party and all the Sheikhs. He is the greatest. Maasha Allah.
ReplyDeleteBush doenst know who is an islamist and who is not one.
ReplyDeleteIslamists ar not necessarily mulsims. In some muslim countries there are so called islamists who are pure atheists. Islamists are people who use religion to gain votes. Lets not mix pure islam and politics where pure Islam’s soul purpose is salvation and spiritual character development in my opinion. An example of islamist case in this nature in Maldives is IDP. IDP leader is neither a scholar nor a credible Immaam but he advocates politics on religious grounds which are pathetic and absurd way of trading our beautiful religion for material philosophical gains. Please give our religion a break.
Bushree.Now you are trying to make some sense. People who think in both the extremes are not the majority. most of the people in this country are moderate thinking. So respect their views.( we also respect the views of extremists although we cannot agree with their thinking)
ReplyDeleteAnyway you have raised a very sensitive issue. Most of the comments on your previous article were interesting but some showed the extreme unreasonable thinking of some people. Some of the comments passed against those who talked against making veil compulsory include, ‘challenges to islam, attacking islam’ etc… when we say that veil should not be made compulsory we are not challenging or attacking islam. Neither are we outright saying that Allah has not commanded wearing veil. what we are saying is that since it’s a subject debated world over by religious scholars and since there is no straightforward aayath in Quran commanding us to wear veil, it should not be made compulsory nor it should be prohibited.
If you go through literature you would see that there are different translations of the 2 aayat in Quran related to wearing veil. Now let us leave aside the Quranic translations and believe that Allah has commanded muslim women to wear veils. Even if we believe this wholeheartedly, still we cannot be forced to wear a veil. And such a thing should not be put into the law of the country. Because if we do that then we should also put into law other things commanded by Allah - a law should be made to punish those who mistreat parents ( Allah has commanded to treat well your parents and a Hadees is there saying that a person who mistreats parents would not enter heaven) . a law should also be made to punish those who do not pay Zakat (which is a Farlh).what I am trying to say is that other than “veiling women”, there are more important aspects of Islamic sharia which can be incorporated into the countries legislature. So why pick on veils? As I have said in a comment before, Islamic countries which have made the veil compulsory are the places where religious extremism exists and I believe that the only reason they have done this is to suppress the women’s freedom of thinking and to control them totally. It’s a politically motivated thing. I have also seen that in India and Pakisthan, many muslim women wear veil as a thin dupatta which does not even cover the head properly. But they insist that muslim women in their society should wear this. Why? Just as symbol of the religion they practice and to show to others that they are muslims. This is the state of veil throughout the muslim world. So veiling should be left as a thing of personal choice, to be worn by those who believe in it wholeheartedly. Of course if there are any scholars in this country who strongly believe that veil is a must thing for muslim women who follow the true path of religion, then they can preach or advocate wearing veil. But it cannot and should not be made compulsory.
MOST religous scolars agree on the fact, veil should be worn as per Quran.Should we follow religous scholars or what is convenient for us or what we desire?
ReplyDeleteofcourse I too agree it cannot be forced.It has to come within.
Religous scholars, or Government too at some level should make public aware of facts of Islam as per religous scholars.
It is understandable that people who eat openly during the month of Ramazan in public should be dealt with.But wearing veils is not something that can be forced.
We are hoping for more religous awareness to come soon....
MOST religous scholars agree wearing veils is a MUST.
ReplyDeleteBut I do not think it can be forced.It has to come with in.
Govt and religous shcolars should make people more aware of religon and its facts, rules etc.
Givernment and religous sholars should/can make public aware for eg of importance of 5 obligatory prayers.But can it be forced?NO>
Likewise everything should come with in.
The duty of the knowledgable or ppl in authority should make more aware of Islam for sure.
Al-Qa'eda has lost credibility for enforcing a series of rules imposing their way of thought on the most mundane aspects of everyday life.
ReplyDeleteThey include a ban on women buying suggestively-shaped vegetables, according to one tribal leader in the western province of Anbar.
Sheikh Hameed al-Hayyes, a Sunni elder, told Reuters: "They even killed female goats because their private parts were not covered and their tails were pointed upward, which they said was haram.
"They regarded the cucumber as male and tomato as female. Women were not allowed to buy cucumbers, only men."
Other farcical stipulations include an edict not to buy or sell ice-cream, because it did not exist in the time of the Prophet, while hair salons and shops selling cosmetics have also been bombed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/2538545/Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq-alienated-by-cucumber-laws-and-brutality.html
some of you believe veil is a personal matter. those who want they can and those who don't they can reject. if it is so i ask you when it come to all other aspects of life like eating, drinking, sleeping, enjoying, talking, etc why don't you say it is my freedom that i will not do it. but rather you believe that you do not have any choice to leave any one of those.
ReplyDeletei think minath you are a bit confused. if any muslim refuse to perform prayer than it is obligatory upon the leader to bring them in the right path. even if it has to be done by their swords.
ReplyDeleteLook at most of the advertisements.
ReplyDeletewomans being used to sell the product.
How old is she? How attractive is she? What is she wearing? More often than not, that woman will be no older than her early 20s, taller, slimmer and more attractive than average, dressed in skimpy clothing.
Why do we allow ourselves to be manipulated like this?
if they do, then they would set a good example to the scantily clad girls (especially in Male). wearing a veil does not mean wearing it along with a hijab or tent as someone has mentioned. you can wear it (covering the necessary parts) and still look good (some tv presenters really look fab) but with the tight blouses and butt hugging jeans make the veil look particularly vulgar. my point is, wearing a veil can still be beautiful and fashionable within the boundaries of religion. or does our religion preach women to look as dowdy as they can?
ReplyDeleteDear Bush
ReplyDeleteI tried to persuade my wife to be a good muslim and wear hijab & get me three more wives, and explained her the joy of sharing, and I have failed miserably.
pls help
Maybe this is something funny for some people but you cannot ridicule Allah's will and command. Don't be folled by worldly victory which could be hollow if you ridicule Allah.
ReplyDeleteDear Bushry
ReplyDeleteI want to thank you for raising this issue.
Maldivians have been following maumoon's version of Islam for the past thirty years. Look what it has done to the Maldivians. Most of us are ignorant about even the basics of Islamic teaching.
Majority of us believe that the current dominant culture(western) is more superior..
You ppl should Pray to Allah that He will not bring you to life after you die.. It will be a Shame. I am pretty sure that you would at least agree me on that.
So this is the solution to all the problems? Everybody wearing veil? What has this got to do with politics, economy, good governance? Why should you even talk about these personal things? What underwear Anni wears, what colour dress it is, if Anni's wife wear veil or not! What on Earth has this got to do with running the country? Stop spreading your fundamentalist ideology! Religion is between he/she and his/her God! There are more important issues or more important religous problems to address than wearing the veil!
ReplyDeleteI never thought Bushy belongs to the extremists! Very disappointing.
ReplyDeleteDear brothers and sisters in islam. Allah dosent care if we sin or not.
ReplyDeleteif mumin sisters wear Hijab or not.its his mercy upon us that he keeps on reminding not to sin.
to stay among the boundries of obedience.
K
Maybe this is serious for some people too! Hehehe! What kinda demented retards think that wearing some nutty tent cloth makes a good Muslim or not.
ReplyDelete"Don't be folled" indeed!!!
Laila & Maria, lets follow Allah's way..
ReplyDeletebe role modles for the rest
I call upon president-elect Nasheed to set the good example by asking his beloved wife (Laila) to wear the veil (even fashinable buruga is fine). We all bombarded Gayyoom for saying that wearing of the veil is an optional thing for his wife (Nasreena). If Nasheed's wife doesn't wear the veil then the journalists are bound to ask why, ... and if Nasheed says that it's up to Laila, then Nasheed and Gayyoom would have been the same on the issue of the veil. If Nasheed wants to get elected for a second terms (even at the mid-term election) then he needs to match his economic drive with his policies on moderate Islam. Wearing of the veil is not a fundamentalist thing. We are not talking about hijab or the so-called "balck tent" but real colourful, fashinable veil or scarf is just fine. If Laila and Maria and Nasheed follow the advise of the hardline-elements in the party and marginalise the idea of the veil, then it is bound to haunt the political future of MDP and Nasheed.
ReplyDeleteBushry,
ReplyDeleteWhy dont you call upon Nasheed to start implementing full sharia law? Amputations and the death-by-stoning sentences. Punish everybody who are on the roads during prayer times. Wearing the veil and forcing it should come after all those things. You are just another brain washed wahabbi. Dont try to force your extreme interpretaion of Islam to us! This is our country too and we are entitled to practice Islam as how we see it too!
A lot of ppl have said that, we all were muamoon's back for advocating against the impose on veil or rather Nasreena not wearing the veil. If you think it properly, you would notice that not everyone was up against maumoon for this one. Those who are still trying to impose or so call fundamentalists and their followers are the ones who criticize and who will criticize on this issue. I never for once thought why Nasreena had to wear veil. I don't care if Nasreena wear veil or not, a thong or full size panty. This has nothing to do with my future. I want my security, financially and socially. I want my pension schemes covered, health insurance covered. I want proper education and housing for my kids. Try to spend sometime on more constructive things than stupid ideas like this.
ReplyDeleteGee!
The state should not bother with these matters. Let those who wish to wear buruga wear it.
ReplyDeleteDonning the veil will not be the panacea for all our problems. By and large, buruga has been a fashion trend. I really doubt that the buruga worn by those women young and old, dancing during DRP gatherings has anything to do with Islam.
Maldivian society is already polarised and it wil not lead us anywhere with further polarisation by these trivial things.
Stop politicising buruga.
"I want to thank you for raising this issue.
ReplyDeleteMaldivians have been following maumoon's version of Islam for the past thirty years. Look what it has done to the Maldivians. Most of us are ignorant about even the basics of Islamic teaching."
As if thirty years ago almost all women in Maldives were wearing burugaa
وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَـتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَـرِهِنَّ وَيَحْفَظْنَ) فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلاَ يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلاَّ مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَى جُيُوبِهِنَّ وَلاَ يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلاَّ لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ ءَابَآئِهِنَّ أَوْ ءَابَآءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَآئِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَآءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِى إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِى أَخَوَتِهِنَّ أَوْ نِسَآئِهِنَّ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـنُهُنَّ أَوِ التَّـبِعِينَ غَيْرِ أُوْلِى الإِرْبَةِ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ أَوِ الطِّفْلِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يَظْهَرُواْ عَلَى عَوْرَتِ النِّسَآءِ وَلاَ يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعْلَمَ مَا يُخْفِينَ مِن زِينَتِهِنَّ وَتُوبُواْ إِلَى اللَّهِ جَمِيعاً أَيُّهَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ)
ReplyDeleteSoorah an-Noor 31. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze, and protect their private parts and not to show off their adornment except that which is apparent, and to draw their veils all over their Juyub and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their women, or their right hand possessions, or the Tabi`in among men who do not have desire, or children who are not aware of the nakedness of women. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.
Hey Ali, that's for the "believing" women - and I believe for the "believing" men too.
ReplyDeleteStop trying to rub this bullshit on us free thinking individuals who still think about more important things than wearing a senseless tent over the body day and night.
Get over it already. Jeez!!! We are not the same, you moron! Stop trying to enforce this nonsense. God did give us a brain you know???!!!
... one more thing.
ReplyDeleteTo all ye true "believers" of Islam and "protectors of the Islamic faith" in the Maldives:
I challenge ALL you morons, dimwits & retards to explain to me how you all reap the fruits from an industry that is built upon the selling of alcohol in this country. EVERYONE, and I mean everyone in this country seem to agree there is nothing wrong with this.
We all KNOW this but now my turn for Quran & other preaching:
"They ask you (O Muhammad ) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus Allâh makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought." - Al-Baqarah 2:219
On Buying & Selling "Allah's Messenger(sallallahu alaiyhi wasallam)cursed ten people in connection with wine: the wine-presser, the one who has it pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who conveys it, the one to whom it is conveyed, the one who serves it, the one who sells it, the one who benefits from the price paid for it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought." - Narrated Anas ibn Malik(r.a.)
On Medicinal use - "Wa'il said: Tariq ibn Suwayd or Suwayd ibn Tariq asked the Prophet(sallallahu alaiyhi wasallam) about wine, but he forbade it. He again asked him, but he forbade him. He said to him: Prophet of Allah, it is a medicine. The Prophet said: No it is a disease." - Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar(r.a.)
Enough already? I can go on!
Now tell me, how do you fuckwits talk about the veil and God knows what else and preach good Islam when this is ALLOWED & FOLLOWED by every "good" Muslim in this country.
Answer me this and then go on with your other ramblings. Otherwise shut the F UP!!!
Let everyone else live their own lives.
PS: oh, btw, the allowance for the use of Alcohol is also authorized on a piece of official document signed by Muslim government officials with the Bismi on top. Hypocrites!!!
ALI,
ReplyDelete"veils all over their Juyub" What kind of a translation is that? What on Earth is Juyub? Replace Juyub with bossom! You want to fabricate this and mislead people. You want to put words into God's mouth. Things he never said. God doesnt forget things. Nowhere in Quran has Allah ever asked women to wear veils covering their heads.
For your information here is the full translation:
24:31 "And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, (with their Khimar) and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to GOD, O you believers, that you may succeed."
Here is the Yusuf Ali Translation of the same verse:
24:31 “And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.”
As for women's dress code, there are 3 basic rules in Quran.
(1) The BEST garment is the garment of righteousness.
(2) Whenever you dress , cover your chest (bosoms).
(3) Lengthen your garment.
Dont listen to man made fabrications. Read Quran. Its all there. God says Quran is complete. So you dont need any additions or Sheiks to put words into Gods mouth. Its already there. God has said what he wanted to say. He left out what he did not want to say and nobody has the right to put words into his mouth.
The moment someone raises an Islamic issue he becomes a fundamentalist, or a wahhabi. We may interpret religion differently, but can we deny it or mock it if we are Muslims. Well, God did give us a brain to think sensibly.
ReplyDeletemaldivians dont even know what they are following anymore. just pathetic!
ReplyDeleteOh where in Quran did you find zakath is 2.5% and you pray 4 rakath in Isha prayer and recite Al fathihan with a loud voice?.
ReplyDeleteif you find this in the quran its a good reason not to wear Hijab.
K
A young woman recently stoned to death in Somalia first pleaded for her life, a witness has told the BBC.
ReplyDelete"Don't kill me, don't kill me," she said, according to the man who wanted to remain anonymous. A few minutes later, more than 50 men threw stones.
Human rights group Amnesty International says the victim was a 13-year-old girl who had been raped.
Initial reports had said she was a 23-year-old woman who had confessed to adultery before a Sharia court.
Numerous eye-witnesses say she was forced into a hole, buried up to her neck then pelted with stones until she died in front of more than 1,000 people last week.
neither anni nor golha can force to wear hijjab. but people like bushry are simply waiting for their day to come. the first thing they will do is hijjab the constitution. and then ban MUCIS, and then TV. arround 2015 Maldivian people will be under Islamic extremists engaged with Pakistan and al-queeda. huri hithaama ehge bodukamaaeve.
ReplyDeleteAMD..
ReplyDeletePlease read the translation u presented once again.. This time carefully..
translation 1:
"They shall cover their chests, (with their Khimar)"
my question is
1. why did u leav the word "khimar" untranslated.
2. why did u put the brackets around it.
And from the 2nd translation u presented we know that Khimar means veil (head covering cloth) nd there is no brackets.
if u extend ur head covering cloth to cover ur bossom (juyub) wat will that be.People use ur own brains.mee buruga ge vaahaka ey mi aee..
Now lets see the 3 basic rules.
(1) The BEST garment is the garment of righteousness.
i agree.but u may need to explain this more for us to see the connection with ayah u mentioned.
(2) Whenever you dress , cover your chest (bosoms).
ahaa.. this where u are misleading the people. now lets read both ur translations again.
translation 1:"They shall cover their chests, (with their Khimar)...cont"
From ur 2nd translation we see that Khimar is veil(clothing used to cover the head) so if we cover the chest with the veil then the head is cover along with the bossom.Ppl so its misleading wen he derived the 2nd rule to only cover the chest.
So the 2nd rule shud read "wear the buruga so that it covers the chest".(obviously if the chest is covered karu valhu is also covered)
Ppl, its quite obvious he is trying to mislead here.The word "veil" actually fails to giv the true meaning of the word "Khimar".
Ali had given a very detailed meaning of this in one of his previous entries.Or u can look it up urself from else where.
(3) Lengthen your garment.
<--i agree.
and AMD
""veils all over their Juyub" What kind of a translation is that? What on Earth is Juyub? Replace Juyub with bossom! You want to fabricate this and mislead people. You want to put words into God's mouth."
did u even once read the original arabic verse of the quran surah an-noor verse 31.If u havent, read now."Juyub" is there in the ayah. So how on earth can u say "You want to put words into God's mouth"
He just left it untranslated so that u wil translate it and confirm wat he is saying.
AMD you stop thinking from maumoon, gubad nd afrashim's brains and use ur own brain for
a change.Yours will b better than the 3 put together.
May allah guide u nd rest of us to right path which leads us to paradise. "Ameen"
Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is.
ReplyDeleteDear Thakuru,
ReplyDeleteYou are mistaken my brother.
"Khimar" is an Arabic word that means, cover, any cover, a curtain is a Khimar, a dress is a Khimar, a table cloth that covers the top of a table is a Khimar, a blanket can be used as a Khimar..etc. The word KHAMRA used for intoxicant in Arabic has the same root with Khimar, because both covers, the Khimar covers (a window, a body, a table . . . etc.) while KHAMRA covers the state of mind.
"Khimar" is an Arabic word that can be found in the Quran in 24:31 While the first basic rule of Dress Code for the Muslim Women can be found in 7:26, the second rule of the DRESS CODE FOR WOMEN can be found in 24:31. HIJAB is the head cover and thats what you should be looking for. Not Khimar. Some people quote verse 31 of sura 24 as containing the word Hijab, or head cover, by pointing to the word, khomoorehenna, (from Khimar), forgetting that God has already used the word Hijab, several times in the Quran. So the word "Khimar" in this verse is not for "Hijab" or for head cover.
Those who quote this verse usually add (Head cover) (veil) after the word Khomoorehenna, and usually between (brackets), because it is their addition to the verse not God's.
Further more, the Arabic word for CHEST, "GAYB" is in the verse (24:31), but the Arabic words for HEAD, (RAAS) or HAIR, (SHAAR) are NOT in the verse. The commandment in the verse is clear - COVER YOUR CHEST OR BOSOMS.
So who is misleading who? Please prove me wrong.
Thank you.
It is impossible to debate these issues freely here as the author of this blog has decided not to publish one of my previous replies. I have made a second attempt to reply to Thakuru. Hopefully it will be published. So just for your information, I wont be posting any more comments here.
ReplyDeleteThank you and may God bless you all.
brothers and sisters.
ReplyDeleteAllah says " And whosoever seeks a way other than submission to Allah, it will not be accepted from him,and he will be a loser in the hereafter"
be aware of this dangerous disaster called democracy.its not a perfect system. dont fall in to the trap of our enemy.
K
Wearing a veil is not a criteria by which you can decide whether she is a Muslim or not. Let individual women make their own choices. And if some men are so passionate about the buruga, why don't they wear it themselves instead! Leave the poor Maldivian women alone.
ReplyDeleteIs this a sign?
ReplyDeleteAllah mentions in the quran
Surah 15 (Al-Hijr):9
"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it" (15:9)
In this ayah Allah is giving assurance that Allah will quard the quran. The true meaning and the true interpretation will prevail till the last day. Allah will expose the ppl who r trying to mislead the muslims and change words of God.
Let us uncover one such instance.
Brother AMD is saying (from his 2nd post):
""Khimar" is an Arabic word that means, cover, any cover, a curtain is a Khimar, a dress is a Khimar, a table cloth that covers the top of a table is a Khimar, a blanket can be used as a Khimar..etc. The word KHAMRA used for intoxicant in Arabic has the same root with Khimar, because both covers, the Khimar covers (a window, a body, a table . . . etc.) while KHAMRA covers the state of mind."
here brother AMD is saying "veil" or "headcover" is not the correct meaning of the word "khimar".Now lets see,
Brother AMD also said (from his 1st post):
"...that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms..."
here we see the word "veil" being used for the meaning of the word "khimar". Y is brother AMD making 2 contradicting statements. Y did brother AMD present this translation in his 1st post when he doesnt agree with it.
The same happened couple of weeks backs if u all can recall
President Gayyoom released his long promised translation of the quran. In the tranlation he released the word "khimar" is tranlated to "Buruga" as brother AMD did and lateron,on TVM he refused or he didnt accept the fact quran mentions wearing the buruga as mandatory. Wat has happened, 2 contradicting statements.
As i said Allah will guard his words and Allah will reveal the truth and expose the lies.
"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it"(15:9)
For the believing muslims this is enough proof. But insha Allah i will shed some more light into this matter.
Brother AMD said:
"HIJAB is the head cover and thats what you should be looking for. Not Khimar"
The actual way that Hijab is used in the Qur’an: -
O you who believe! do not enter the houses of the Prophet unless permission is given to you for a meal, not waiting for its cooking being finished-- but when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken the food, then disperse-- without seeking to remain for conversation; surely this gives the Prophet trouble, but he forbears from you, and Allah does not forbear from the truth. And when you ask of them (the prophet’s wives) any goods, ask of them from behind a partition / barrier (hijab); this is purer for your hearts and (for) their hearts; and it does not behove you that you should give trouble to the Messenger of Allah, nor that you should marry his wives after him ever; surely this is grievous in the sight of Allah
As can be seen, Hijab (حجاب) is here used as a screen and barrier (as it usually is in the Qur’an). So if anything, the usage of this word with regard to the head covering is a cultural innovation in Islam, but not the concept of covering the head.
Hijab (حجاب, is the Arabic term for "cover" (noun), based on the root حجب meaning "to cover (verb), to screen, to shelter".
What does Khimar really means
The dictionary of classical Arabic, Aqrab al-Mawarid:
"[The word khimar refers to] all such pieces of cloth which are used to cover the head. It is a piece of cloth which is used by a woman to cover her head."
Lisan Al Arab (لسان العرب) : والخِمَارُ للمرأَة، وهو النَّصِيفُ، وقيل: الخمار ما تغطي به المرأَة رأَْسها، وجمعه أَخْمِرَةٌ وخُمْرٌ وخُمُرٌ
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Many liberal Muslims try to say that as a khimar can mean various things, like a cover or anything which covers, and so they say that we should not limit it to just the meaning of veil. Hence, they say, unless we take a backward cultural interpretation of khimar, we have no reason to interpret it as a head covering. My answer to this is: the correct understanding must be derived from the context in which the word is, in this case the ayah and the Qur’an as a whole. The ayah context is something that the women would have with them, that can be drawn over their breasts, which has a predominant meaning of headscarf/ veil. The Qur’an and ayah context is of modesty and concealing the beauty of a woman. We must note also that when we look up the word khimar (خمار) in the classical dictionaries, the most obvious and foremost meaning is that of the veil/headscarf.
To say that Khimar (خمار) means table cloth or some random sheet is illogical within the language/ayah/Qur’an context above (why would women be carrying around random covers?). To say that the khimar is mentioned only as a cultural fashion with no religious significance ignores the -modesty/hiding what contributes to beauty- context as well as unnecessarily ignores the establishment of a normative practice of 1) Maintaining and using the veil and 2) Covering the breasts with it(‘s ends). Consider, instead of Allah telling the women to pull their cloaks or dresses over their breasts (i.e., hide their cleavage), hence leaving them free to wear or not wear a veil, Allah tells them to use THEIR veils to cover their breasts/cleavage (which within the liberalist context would just be an extra unnecessary bit of clothing). This has a dual function 1) It clarified for the women (Some? All?) who wore it at that time with the cleavage exposed (according their culture (Ibn Kathir)) to wrap it around so that they covered the cleavage and it clarified for all later generations that the veil should be put on the head and wrapped around below the neck to cover the breasts.
Brother AMD i hope that i had lead some light into this issue.
Brother I have so much more to say on this. But i dnt really hav the time right now. but i wil keep on posting. Insha allah i will prov to u what is right.
May Allah guide u and the rest us into the right path which will lead us to paradise. Ameen
Wearing the veil has got nothing to do with Islam. But it has got everything to do with tradition. Its not just muslim women but even men in the middle east wear the veil. Should all muslim men wear the veil like Saudi's do?
ReplyDeletethe ayah that i mentioned regarding hijab is (33:53) forgot to include it..
ReplyDeleteI have been following the debate between Thukuru and AMD. I am a Sharia Student. I have asked my friend from Cairo about the meaning of the word Khimar. According to him, Khimar has a broader meaning and its not just veil. While it can be meant as veil, it also can be meant as any COVER. So the point here is clear. The verse says take the KHIMAR (cover) and cover your chest or bossoms. From this verse, I dont understand how it can be meant as instructions to cover your head or hair. As AMD pointed out, Arabic words for head (raas) or hair (shaar) are not in the verse and yet some people believe this is Gods instructions for women that they must cover their head, and according to some people, including the face too? If the verse says take your Khimar and cover your head (raas) or hair (shaar) thats a different story. But God didnt say so. Why is that? This is where I have to agree with AMD that some of us are trying to put words into Gods mouth. Thats wrong.
ReplyDeleteIts safe and fair to say that Quran does not clearly state that muslim women must cover their head. This is what Sheikh Gubad and Dr. Afrasheem argued in the Supreme court, and this is what Maumoon said too.
Are you all trying educate Anni on the veil issue
ReplyDeleteبِخُمُرِهِنَّ which u find in the ayah is the plural of Khimar which is (khumur) nd its a noun. so stop using it as a verb 1st. Now read the previous explanation i gav once again.This time with a open mind.
ReplyDeletend Brother since khimar denotes the headscarf/buruga shaar/raaas need not be there because a headscarf or buruga is worn to cover raas shaar it is automatically understood. So no need to mention this over over.
I have to support AMD here. I have a friend or two who understands more than basic Arabic. Whether khimar or khumur, its meaning is 'cover'. Had Khimar appeared with the words head, hair or face, it could have been translated as a head, hair or face cover. But it did not! The actual word in the verse is khomoorehenna (from Khimar), which simply means cover. What follows khomoorehenna is bossom. So this means, cover your bossoms! Its true that nobody can point a single verse in Quran where Allah has instructed women to cover their head. Its simply not there!! In accurate Quran translations, if you see the word veil being used in this verse, it will always appear within (brackets). Look at the presidents office latest translation which thakuru talked about here, and you will see the word 'buruga' appeared within brackets. Those are not God's words. It simply means how the translator sees it. The bottom line is, Quran does not ask women to cover their head. The fact that its not their, and the fact that the only verse you can come even close to the issue remains so vague, means the issue of veil in Islam is not that important.
ReplyDeleteahmed:
ReplyDeletewell i dont know about the latest translation. But in the one i got frm avashu office it reads "ekambulun ge buruga thakun ekanbalun ge karu valhu thah nivaa kuraashey", nd its not in brackets.
what AMD nd the ppl u r doing is adjusting the context to fit their meaning into it.
let us see,
from AMD's 1st post:
"They shall cover their chests, (with their Khimar) and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers,.... "
1st of all lets see wat AMD nd the other say abt this bracket.
from AMD's 2nd post:
"Those who quote this verse usually add (Head cover) (veil) after the word Khomoorehenna, and usually between (brackets), because it is their addition to the verse not God's."
what brother AMD saying is correct if they dont accept the meaning of khimar as head cover nd veil.but when we look at the translation i quoted from AMD's 1st post we are seeing a totally different picture.the word "khimar" itself is put into the brackets. i dnt see any reason why this word even if kept untranslated shud b put into the brackets unless he wanted ppl to think as brother AMD said "
it is their addition to the verse not God's"
Since khimar is itself in the ayah i find it misleading to put it into the bracket.
now lets see how they are adjusting the context.
"cover their chests, (with their Khimar)"
in the ayah khimar comes only once but in this tranlation khimar is visible twice.
1st khimar is tranlated to "cover".
2nd khimar is again placed inside the brackets.
khimar in the ayah is a noun so to translate it to "cover"(verb) is wrong in this context.
ayah here is talking about "something" that the women would have with them, that can be drawn over their breasts, that is the real context.
In the classical dictionaries, the most obvious and foremost meaning of khimar is the veil/headscarf.
So they say the arabic word for headscarf is hijab but ive shown how hijab is mostly used in quran.Even if the ayah had the word hijab this liberalists will argue since hijab can also mean any cover or shield.
May Allah guide us all to the right path which leads us to paradise "Ameen"
Thakuru,
ReplyDeletesomething is wrong with your version. you keep referring to the 'karuvalhuthah nivaakuraa hushikameve" point. But yet you are defending the point that quran asks women to cover their head? Can you point me to the ayah in quran where god asks women to cover their head? or just because a word which could be meant as the veil appears in the ayah, you say people must assume its an instruction to cover the head? i dont understand. from what i see, the ayah asks to take the cloth or cover or buruga or whatever and cover the chest. not the head. where in quran is the instruction to cover the head? or everything other than women's face and hands? i just checked the latest dhivehi translation and its true the words "ebahee moonaai dhe aiy thila fiyavaa" is written in brackets.
Thakuru,
ReplyDeleteYou have totally missed the real debatable point in this verse: "that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof" is the part in which (according to some scholars) God is asking women to cover the whole body except their hands and face. In translations, this is where you will see all sorts of added words within brackets. The debate has never been on the part: "that they should draw their veils over their bosoms" This part clearly talks about about covering the womens chest only.
However your point is because the word veil appears in Quran, it has to be taken as an instruction on women to wear it in such a way that the head is covered. Now what about the arms? You cant cover your arms with the veil?
What is a veil in English? There are so many meanings. Something that covers, separates, screens, or conceals: a veil of smoke; the veil of death. A mask, disguise, or pretense.
On the other hand, there are so many ways to wear a veil. You see the Pakistani style, the Hindu way, the Christian nun, like mother teressa's style and the middle eastern and muslim style. Just because the word veil appeared, we wouldn't know how to use the veil and how much we should cover what!
You say "ayah here is talking about "something" that the women would have with them" Why would every women have a veil? and why would every veil cover your head? You could take the veil and cover your bosom without covering your head. That's totally possible? So there needs to be some instruction to cover what needs to be covered.
My point is, unless there is a direct instruction to cover your head, you cannot assume things and make it sharia. As someone said here, nobody has the right to put words into God's mouth.
Thakuru, we are suppose to wear the veil based on a verse which asks to cover the breasts? You dont make sense!
ReplyDeleteWhat is the debate topic?
ReplyDeletelets see:
Anonymous 8/11/08 08:33 "Quran does not clearly state that muslim women must cover their head"
Ahmed 10/11/08 11:16 "Quran does not ask women to cover their head"
Ahmed 10/11/08 20:58 "unless there is a direct instruction to cover your head, you cannot assume things and make it sharia"
This is exactly the topic of debate which I'm aiming at and that is the reason I'm concentrating more on the portion of the ayah "that they should draw their headscarfs/veils over their bosoms"
Unveiling the word game of "veil"
Brother Ahmed says
"What is a veil in English? There are so many meanings. Something that covers, separates, screens, or conceals: a veil of smoke; the veil of death. A mask, disguise, or pretense"
Which i agree with brother Ahmed and thank him for mentioning. I was looking forward for this to come up somewhere in the debate.
Now lets see what i had previously said about this English word "veil"
From my (1st post in reply to AMD)
"The word "veil" actually fails to giv the true meaning of the word "Khimar" "
Now lets see how ive always translated word "khimar"
from my 2nd post in replying to AMD
"[The word khimar refers to] all such pieces of cloth which are used to cover the head. It is a piece of cloth which is used by a woman to cover her head."
from my 4th post in replying to brother Ahmed
" In the classical dictionaries, the most obvious and foremost meaning of khimar is the veil/headscarf. "
So brother I've always referred to khimar as headscarf, even if I'm using the word "veil" (which I often avoid unless quoting from other sources) I am limiting the meaning of veil to a headscarf.
This is 1 reason why Ive said "The word "veil" actually fails to give the true meaning of the word "Khimar" " in my first post. Actually speaking this is the original source of all these confusions. Its when these non Arab speaking non-Muslims started looking at the translation of the quran while attacking islam that these confusions started. And
now the liberal muslims who always thought islam was a little way down the line, against human right..etc..etc..thought the need of "modernising" the islamic principles is following this lead.
Back to "khimar" but this time with "Jilbab"
Verse of Khimaar
Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and protect their private parts. That is purer for them. Verily Allah is All Aware of what you do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and protect their private parts, and not expose their adornment except that which appears thereof, and to draw their Khumur over their Juyub, and not
to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husbands fathers, or their sons…….,
(Qur’aan 24:30-31)
After commanding both men and women to lower their gaze and protect their private parts Allah specifically addresses the believing women, commanding them to draw their Khumur over their Juyub. So the question arises, what is the meaning of Khumur and what is the meaning of Juyub?
From the language, the word Khumur, which is plural for Khimaar, refers to head coverings, so in this verse Allah is commanding the believing women to wear a head covering which covers their head, exposing on the face. The word Juyub refers to the area covering the neck and chest. Thus Allah instructs the believing women to draw their headscarf in such a way so as to also cover their neck and chest. Allah described an attribute of the muslimahs dress code, 'the Khimaar,’ and He described how this headscarf should also cover the neck and chest.
Verse of Jilbaab
O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their Jalaabeeb over themselves. (Qur’aan 33:59)
In the above verse Allah informs the Prophet to inform his wives and daughters specifically, and the believing women in general, to wear Jalaabeeb, where Jalaabeeb is plural for Jilbaab, meaning an outer garment in the language of Arabic. So, here, Allah describes another attribute of the Muslimah's dress code, in addition to the Khimaar, namely 'the Jilbaab' which is an outer garment which covers the body completely.
Now let me quote the questions asked by brother Ahmed here:
"there are so many ways to wear a veil. You see the Pakistani style, the Hindu way, the Christian nun, like mother teressa's style and the middle eastern and muslim style. Just because the word veil appeared, we wouldn't know how to use the veil and how much we should cover what!"
Well brother the word "khimar" itself answers your question.
"Now what about the arms? You cant cover your arms with the veil? "
Dont. Cover it with your jilbaab.
In these verses Allah is describing the Muslimah's dress code, for He is describing specific characteristics of the dress code using rich words full of descriptive meaning. This is how Allah describes objects in His creation throughout the Qur’aan. In the Qur’aan Allah calls the stars Nujoom describing them as objects which shine. He also calls them Masaabeh, describing them as lamps, burning their own fuel and radiating their own light. And He also calls the stars Burooj describing their magnificent heights above the earths’ surface. He describes them as having Mawaaqe, describing their various positions relative to one another. So although Allah is describing the stars, He refers to them by many names including nujoom, burooj, and masaabeh; rich names describing their various attributes. Similarly with the Muslimahs dress code, Allah described its various attributes when He mentioned the Khimaar and the Jilbaab. These names describe the components and features of the female Muslim dress, which she wears out in public. So anyone who claims that Allah has not mentioned the "veil" as a dress code for the believing women cannot deny the fact that He mentioned the Khimaar and the Jilbaab in the clear eloquent Arabic language in His Book which He has kept pure and preserved. And anyone who understands the meaning of the words Khimaar and Jilbaab from the Arabic language cannot deny that they describe features of the Muslim female dress.
As for ppl who stated
Anonymous 8/11/08 08:33 "Quran does not clearly state that muslim women must cover their head"
Ahmed 10/11/08 11:16 "Quran does not ask women to cover their head"
Ahmed 10/11/08 20:58 "unless there is a direct instruction to cover your head, you cannot assume things and make it sharia"
has been clearly and openly refuted. Allah spoke the truth when He said:
We fling the truth against falsehood, so it destroys it, and behold it is gone. And woe to you for that which you ascribe! (Qur’aan 21:18)
Conclusion
this topic has been debated and won by the Muslims over and over so that the non-Muslims have stopped debating on this issue. Now the trend is towards "Islam promotes terror", so why is that your are stuck here.
Thakuru,
ReplyDeleteMeaning of the word Khimar is not veil but cover. I have asked this questions to Arabic born Arab speaking people. It can only be meant as a head cover if it comes with the word head.
Thakuru,
ReplyDeleteYou have failed to produce any verse from Quran where there is an instruction to cover the head. Your lengthy explanations, that this means that, and that may mean this, is not the point here! I would like to see a verse where God has asked women to cover their head.
Regarding the meaning of Khimar, this was an issue discussed at the Maldives Supreme Court during the Adhaalth/Maumoon trial. Dr. Afrasheem and Sheikh Gubad argued that the meaning of the word Khimar means cover and it can simply means any cover including a table cloth too. Nobody could prove it wrong! There were highly educated people on both sides. This is why our previous president Maumoon said that Quran doesnt not clearly states that the women must wear a 'buruga'. Believe me, he knows Arabic language.
You keep saying that because a word which may be meant as a veil or any cover, has appeared in a verse where God is asking women to cover their bossoms, should be taken as instructions to cover their head!
If I ask you to cover your eyes with a trouser, what does that mean? I am simply asking you to cover your eyes with the trouser! Just because trousers are usually worn on your waist, doesnt mean my instruction is to wear it on your waist in addition to covering your eyes??! If I wanted you to wear it on your waist I would instead ask you to wear it on your waist, and also cover your eyes with it! Simple as that!
Guys guys stop the argument! Just agree to disagree on this! Thats something Maldivians needs to learn these days!
ReplyDeleteNO ONE, neither, maumoon, nor gubath, nor afrasheem and most certainly not BUSHRY has a right to tell me how i should dress. i say piss off bushry! if you think we are pakistani/afghani women who have been treated like animals by men for centuries, you are mistaken. maldivian women decended from queens. 40% of families are female headed.......do u think we will allow people like you to dictate our lives?
ReplyDeleteBushry, your mysogynistic views and advocacy towards enslaving women of this country is extremely offensive to us. You should restrict your views of clothing style to within your family. dont infringe on our rights and advocate for others to infringe upon our rights
ReplyDeleteIt is ludicruous when some people denounce the veil with the scant knowledge that they have. Some comments appear to be challenges to Allah. Fear Allah. Learn the religion of Allah before you spew your idiotic thoughts.
ReplyDeleteCheck Prophet (pbuh)'s hadeeth on the issue and fear for your eternity. This wordly life is not everything. The day of reckoning is more frightening. Don't give up your eternity for your pathetic 60 or so years of life.
Anon27/11/08, bushry and other mysogynist
ReplyDeleteIts shameful that people like you use religion to justify twisted need to control women and your hatred towards women. Perhaps you should take your own advice and actually fear Allah beacuse, the Quran says:
Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution. (31:6)
The Quran very clearly states that the Quran is the ONLY consistent source, since it's God's Word.
The volumes and volumes of hadith books were written some 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad and contain many hadith that either contradict the Quran or don't make any sense at all.